Discussion on botting (closed)

  • Why? simpel i few points.
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    1. Most of the people i play with have jobs/Family life and we mainly play a few hours in the evening when we play together we want to do fun stuff together not grind to go lvl up and find items.

    2. ISRO was also botting so you cannot stop it enny way.

    3. It scares away a lot of other potential players who have the same problems as mentioned in 1. !


    4. With bot you even need to Quest/grind a long time to go max lvl also you have not a big advantage when you do it if you compare it to people who can grind more hours because when you put a bot in a spot it stays there for a longer time and you will lvl slower then the manny hours some people can hand grind.

    5. Botting is a part of the game and you are not able to ban all the people that bot i think the Dev can focus more on developing the game then looking for botters.


    6. there is not much going on in the server ( player wise) so who do you harm with botting then???? ( nobody in my opinion).

    i could go on with more point still this are some of them feel free to give comment still i think most of us would like to keep botting just because we don't play sro 24/7 or even each day.

    we also play other games we like.



    My example i play a long time on this server already. and i also play GTA 5 Roleplay ( also takes a lot of time) and i am a DEV in a total new Zombie survival game. and i don't want to just handgrind SRO i also want to have fun with my guild members and other people i know on this server for a longer time… therefore i bot and even that is not 24/7 when i go to sleep i mostly turn of my pc…



    Thank you for reading and have fun in the server

    Kind Regards an old Guild from this server WildKingdom:

    Verry Friendly Guild here is a small movie of us on a other server ;-)


  • I am totally okay with boting. Even more, in order to reach end game content boting is a must.

    Unless you are 12 year old kid with not a care in the world and staying in the game like 12 hours a day it will take tremendous amount of time to reach that end game.
    It is a KOREAN MMO. It requires a lot of grinding (even with quest based server).

    I also think that if bot is allowed it would even bring more people to the server.
    I am not talking about hardcore bot 24/7, but being allowed to use bot to boost your progress would be nice.

  • I agree, the days of me playing sro 24/7 are over. With a fulltime job, girlfriend, household, other hobby’s and a really energetic dog I don’t have much time. Of course I also like to do quests and stuff but if that’s the only thing I can do I would never get higher as lvl 60, and I prefer to also do job(war), FW, FGW etc. Botting is a part of the game if people chose not to then that’s their choice.

  • I agree, the days of me playing sro 24/7 are over. With a fulltime job, girlfriend, household, ...

    representative of all comments made so far, I answer yours because you summarized what others wrote.....


    there are always recurring points that are addressed here why i'm should allow BottingI write a small note for each of these points....most important point first.

    • I agree. I have nothing against boting.. if someone wants to why not let them...I
    • am totally okay with boting. Even more, in order to reach end game content boting is a must.
    • Botting is a part of the game if people chose not to then that’s their choice.

    Since when has cheating been a major part of the game in all games?

    It is also forbidden to go into the street at red lights...when people do this, it's their choice.

    • Most of the people i play with have jobs/Family life and we mainly play a few hours in the evening...
    • With a fulltime job, girlfriend, household, other hobby’s .... I don’t have much time.

    Does that mean that everyone who wants to play legal doesn't have a full-time job, a girlfriend, a household or other hobbies? not me either?

    • It scares away a lot of other potential players who have the same problems as mentioned in 1. !
    • I also think that if bot is allowed it would even bring more people to the server.
    • .. and i also think that if bot was allowed more players will come to the server.

    I can understand these points, but I ask myself why on other servers like Origin.Online can play enough players without a bot?

    • there is not much going on in the server ( player wise) so who do you harm with botting then???? ( nobody in my opinion).

    my statement is, in my opinion no one will also be hurt if you don't use the bot ?

    To make leveling easier, I created the AutoFight Program, which is almost a complete Bot
    This can also be used and has an AFK mode through AutoSelect.
    I think that the only problem here with AutoFight is that you can not do anything else for hours while the bot is leveling your characte. It is not an AFK bot program

    • With bot you even need to Quest/grind a long time to go max lvl also you have not a big advantage when you do it if you compare it to people who can grind more hours because when you put a bot in a spot it stays there for a longer time and you will lvl slower then the manny hours some people can hand grind.

    I think the gameplay should be adjusted so that people who have little time do not lag behind when leveling. everyone would benefit from such a discussion, instead of talking about botting permission.


    @SithoZ, @Mdarude

    you have been with us for a long time and know that I have not yet banned bot users as long as they behave appropriately and do not exaggerate the booting.


    @Community

    I am mainly against the booting because they modify the network packets and thus make the server unstable. because our server developments are also determined by the community.

    I am ready to start a vote that decides this democratically. but here i want to know all opinions and not just the booting fraction.


    If the community decides to approve an official Booting permit, I don't want to hear complaints about server lags or the like.


    cu Roman

  • My solution:

    - Scroll to get 110 and 5m sp (max 1 per account (so 5 chars 110 per player)). Since you get stat/skill reset scrolls for gold so.

    - Quests with decent exp/sp rewards: great for people who like grinding.


    Items sox items (last degree) via FGW/Events/Joining FW.

    Items normal +5/full blue should be decently easily gettable for every player (also casuals) so that the difference between people who play a lot and people who don't have the time or don't want to won't be too great. (looking at you SithoZ, with your overpowered blader in 90 cap <3)


    For the players that like questing, it would be nice to also get some rewards (that you can get from FGW/events) at certain level ups (like 70/80/90/100/110) as compensation/reward for playing a lot.

    Otherwise they won't be incentivized to grind, whereas people should be rewarded for actively playing and contributing to the server!


    Sis

  • first that will be alot of work.. second that will change the whole idea of the server...

  • ok, i must say....

    botting become legal, i'm out

    i can play on the same sh*t servers, where botting is allowed.


    Told me next 3 days please until Sunday, so i can delete this game again...


    sry, searching a NO BOT server, not a noob server again

  • Hi All


    so just to make it clear

    I don't want the bots to be used. The discussion was just about why people want to bot. I have written my opinion on all reasons.


    Sisbrow was the only one who thought about it and worked with me on a solution that seemed acceptable to everyone.

    Saying that people have no time, is not a reason for me to allow botting.


    I am now sending a warning to anyone who thinks that I need a large number of players to run the server. The old players know that I also kept all of my servers running without a single player.
    this is my hobby and i'm investing my money and my time in the server after all

    In the end, I decide what happens to the server. If someone doesn't like that, please keep playing somewhere else, however your ideas are welcome!


    I would like to state my ideas for the game, so that we can talk about it productively, and work towards it together:

    I will now do the following things in the near future:

    • Adjust Forgotten World quests so that people will get decent exp/skill exp, so that players can level up with them.
    • The forgotten world talisman droprate will be looked into
    • The dimension pillars will not be dropped by monsters, but rather be sold by the NGA dealer.
    • The experience gained by monsters is reduced
    • Jangan cave is going to be turned off (Sisbrow: I suspect because of the high number of mobs that are in the cave, this way the mob spawn in the rest of the world can be higher.)
    • I will implement the idea of Sisbrow accordingly so that each 1x per account can give a character a scroll that brings him to level 109 with 99% exp (Sisbrow: 110 is not possible, the server needs 1 levelup to fix the stats and stuff)
    • People who complete a certain number of certain quests will receive additional items (Sisbrow: this is to give the people that DO like to grind some extra items/rewards/a reason to do it, instead of punishing them for not doing FGW runs for example)
    • Other options remain open for future gameplay.... (for this suggestions are welcome!)

    I still accept further useful ideas, but it would be awesome if they can be within these boundaries and towards this idea (play2win basically)


    Now everyone who thinks they can do all this with the bot in the future!

    I will take the time to finish programming my own server proxy. anyone who gets caught with bot afterwards loses all their ingame accounts including all their chars.This happens automatically without warning or the like through my system.


    this is how i made my decision

    I thank all friends of the server for everything


    cu Roman

  • Then i must say, 2 people are botting on your Server...


    Player:


    Ishanta

    _Arwen_


    you can look on my stream yesterday, they are botting and are both from the Guild:


    WildKingdom


    i think more of them are botting, but this 2 are for SHURE botting, i saw them more as 1 time, and i hate it....

    When you guys want to bot....

    Go, and search a server where you CAN botting----


    THX

  • After the server has all the features fixed the way you intend - focus on Quests, Trades, Dungeon activities as FGW, Holy water and Job temple I don' t think the bot will be required at all.

    Also giving the players the opportunity to have a max level character and gather to do the end game content will also give the players the choice and the freedom to play the way they like - leveling up a character or gather with friends for the end game gear. ( After all the "old" players also had this opportunity to have a high level character it is only fair for the new players to have it).

    Every player will have their own opinion and suggestion about the server but after all we are all aiming for an old school experience. Friendly community to do activities together and have fun not only 24/7 bot party.

  • Roman, SithoZ is right...

    but, botting is NOT ALLOWED!!!

    So Ban that player, the Rule is, NO BOT

    So accept this rule and wait that Roman will fix the quests and more for lvling, i play fair too -.-


    Botting chars i saw NOW:


    Guild: all from WildKingdom


    Player:


    - Ishanta

    - _Arwen_

    - Ilona

    - CptLightfeet


    Sry but.... Rule is Rule.... So Ban that guys... or the server will NEVER become big, because always changing Rules or so...

    Fobiten is forbiten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kurz auf Deutsch:


    Halunke ist schon weg, weil botter zugenommen haben

    Meine Frau will auch nimmer ändert sich nix,

    ein Follower von mir ist gestern gekommen insta wieder weg, als er die botter sah

    und ich bin auch kurz davor



    Momentan lebt der Server wieder, dank den Botter, aber das ist denke ich nicht in deinem Sinne, also bitte was dagegen machen, ich wäre gnadenlos und würde insta ALLE bannen permanent

  • Well what is your problem towards bots?

    Do they steal your kills ? you dont have space to do your Quests? you to Bumb to use one?
    You have alot of spare time to play? i really dont get the problem for botting in my eyes you scard of something. i'm already i think 2 years atleast in the server ( Yes i left a few times ) since time and server changes and server downtime.. still all these years i did use a bot NO OTHER player did cry abouth that this mutch and now out of nowhere people start crying.. so please what is your real problem with this... instead of being a "good civilian" who is folowing all rules of life and never walks down and follows all the rules there are in life... dont like the lvling part of the game i like the Alchamy and PVP the most and ofcourse to play together with my guild members we are 7 in total and soon probobly with 10 unless yeah we get banned since we are a decend group together . who play a game together probly mostly in the weekends since during the week none has time for it...


    So if you dont understand we can have a talk over Discord or teamspeak and i will say it to you in person.. so for now pls stop crying abouth it. this should be a fun server up to the point YOU started to cry abouth it again past 2 year NOBODY did that.

  • The reason botting won't be allowed in the future will be because AFK botters don't contribute positively to the server. However, in the (finished) game setup botting isn't needed either. Quests/levels will be there for people who want to do them, other players can be instantly max level to enjoy endgame stuff. Stones/elixirs will be buyable or drops in FGW or rewards or something. So you won't need bot to grind for gold/items/alchemy either. The game Roman is trying to make is NOT reliant on bots/grinding to get a strong char, but rather has the OPTION to grind/do quests if you like that stuff, and has more endgame Play2Win stuff for the other players.



    Therefore, in my opinion, the point isn't why we should be allowed to bot, but WHEN it shouldn't be allowed. I would argue that we should be allowed to bot until the server is at such a point where we don't need to bot. Right now, if we don't bot we can't get max cap ever.. but after he fixes the quests, updates the droprates/events we don't need to bot

  • The reason botting won't be allowed in the future will be because AFK botters don't contribute positively to the server. However, in the (finished) game setup botting isn't needed either. Quests/levels will be there for people who want to do them, other players can be instantly max level to enjoy endgame stuff. Stones/elixirs will be buyable or drops in FGW or rewards or something. So you won't need bot to grind for gold/items/alchemy either. The game Roman is trying to make is NOT reliant on bots/grinding to get a strong char, but rather has the OPTION to grind/do quests if you like that stuff, and has more endgame Play2Win stuff for the other players.



    Therefore, in my opinion, the point isn't why we should be allowed to bot, but WHEN it shouldn't be allowed. I would argue that we should be allowed to bot until the server is at such a point where we don't need to bot. Right now, if we don't bot we can't get max cap ever.. but after he fixes the quests, updates the droprates/events we don't need to bot

    Exactly that' s why I don' t see the point in arguing about such a thing now. Just enjoy the project everyone ...... please don' t turn this into something ugly -_-

  • Sisbrow

    Closed the thread.
  • Sisbrow

    Changed the title of the thread from “Botting should be allowed !” to “Discussion on botting (closed)”.