Discussion on botting (closed)

Quote from Dutchless

I agree, the days of me playing sro 24/7 are over. With a fulltime job, girlfriend, household, ...

representative of all comments made so far, I answer yours because you summarized what others wrote.....

there are always recurring points that are addressed here why i'm should allow BottingI write a small note for each of these points....most important point first.

• I agree. I have nothing against boting.. if someone wants to why not let them...I
• am totally okay with boting. Even more, in order to reach end game content boting is a must.
• Botting is a part of the game if people chose not to then that’s their choice.

Since when has cheating been a major part of the game in all games?

It is also forbidden to go into the street at red lights...when people do this, it's their choice.

• Most of the people i play with have jobs/Family life and we mainly play a few hours in the evening...
  
• With a fulltime job, girlfriend, household, other hobby’s .... I don’t have much time.

Does that mean that everyone who wants to play legal doesn't have a full-time job, a girlfriend, a household or other hobbies? not me either?

• It scares away a lot of other potential players who have the same problems as mentioned in 1. !
• I also think that if bot is allowed it would even bring more people to the server.
• .. and i also think that if bot was allowed more players will come to the server.

I can understand these points, but I ask myself why on other servers like Origin.Online can play enough players without a bot?

• there is not much going on in the server ( player wise) so who do you harm with botting then???? ( nobody in my opinion).
  

my statement is, in my opinion no one will also be hurt if you don't use the bot ?

To make leveling easier, I created the AutoFight Program, which is almost a complete Bot
This can also be used and has an AFK mode through AutoSelect.
I think that the only problem here with AutoFight is that you can not do anything else for hours while the bot is leveling your characte. It is not an AFK bot program

• With bot you even need to Quest/grind a long time to go max lvl also you have not a big advantage when you do it if you compare it to people who can grind more hours because when you put a bot in a spot it stays there for a longer time and you will lvl slower then the manny hours some people can hand grind.

I think the gameplay should be adjusted so that people who have little time do not lag behind when leveling. everyone would benefit from such a discussion, instead of talking about botting permission.

@SithoZ, @Mdarude

you have been with us for a long time and know that I have not yet banned bot users as long as they behave appropriately and do not exaggerate the booting.

@Community

I am mainly against the booting because they modify the network packets and thus make the server unstable. because our server developments are also determined by the community.

I am ready to start a vote that decides this democratically. but here i want to know all opinions and not just the booting fraction.

If the community decides to approve an official Booting permit, I don't want to hear complaints about server lags or the like.

cu Roman

My solution:

- Scroll to get 110 and 5m sp (max 1 per account (so 5 chars 110 per player)). Since you get stat/skill reset scrolls for gold so.

- Quests with decent exp/sp rewards: great for people who like grinding.

Items sox items (last degree) via FGW/Events/Joining FW.

Items normal +5/full blue should be decently easily gettable for every player (also casuals) so that the difference between people who play a lot and people who don't have the time or don't want to won't be too great. (looking at you SithoZ, with your overpowered blader in 90 cap <3)

For the players that like questing, it would be nice to also get some rewards (that you can get from FGW/events) at certain level ups (like 70/80/90/100/110) as compensation/reward for playing a lot.

Otherwise they won't be incentivized to grind, whereas people should be rewarded for actively playing and contributing to the server!

Sis

Hi All

so just to make it clear

I don't want the bots to be used. The discussion was just about why people want to bot. I have written my opinion on all reasons.

Sisbrow was the only one who thought about it and worked with me on a solution that seemed acceptable to everyone.

Saying that people have no time, is not a reason for me to allow botting.

I am now sending a warning to anyone who thinks that I need a large number of players to run the server. The old players know that I also kept all of my servers running without a single player.
this is my hobby and i'm investing my money and my time in the server after all

In the end, I decide what happens to the server. If someone doesn't like that, please keep playing somewhere else, however your ideas are welcome!

I would like to state my ideas for the game, so that we can talk about it productively, and work towards it together:

I will now do the following things in the near future:

• Adjust Forgotten World quests so that people will get decent exp/skill exp, so that players can level up with them.
• The forgotten world talisman droprate will be looked into
• The dimension pillars will not be dropped by monsters, but rather be sold by the NGA dealer.
• The experience gained by monsters is reduced
• Jangan cave is going to be turned off (Sisbrow: I suspect because of the high number of mobs that are in the cave, this way the mob spawn in the rest of the world can be higher.)
• I will implement the idea of Sisbrow accordingly so that each 1x per account can give a character a scroll that brings him to level 109 with 99% exp (Sisbrow: 110 is not possible, the server needs 1 levelup to fix the stats and stuff)
• People who complete a certain number of certain quests will receive additional items (Sisbrow: this is to give the people that DO like to grind some extra items/rewards/a reason to do it, instead of punishing them for not doing FGW runs for example)
• Other options remain open for future gameplay.... (for this suggestions are welcome!)

I still accept further useful ideas, but it would be awesome if they can be within these boundaries and towards this idea (play2win basically)

Now everyone who thinks they can do all this with the bot in the future!

I will take the time to finish programming my own server proxy. anyone who gets caught with bot afterwards loses all their ingame accounts including all their chars.This happens automatically without warning or the like through my system.

this is how i made my decision

I thank all friends of the server for everything

cu Roman

The reason botting won't be allowed in the future will be because AFK botters don't contribute positively to the server. However, in the (finished) game setup botting isn't needed either. Quests/levels will be there for people who want to do them, other players can be instantly max level to enjoy endgame stuff. Stones/elixirs will be buyable or drops in FGW or rewards or something. So you won't need bot to grind for gold/items/alchemy either. The game Roman is trying to make is NOT reliant on bots/grinding to get a strong char, but rather has the OPTION to grind/do quests if you like that stuff, and has more endgame Play2Win stuff for the other players.

Therefore, in my opinion, the point isn't why we should be allowed to bot, but WHEN it shouldn't be allowed. I would argue that we should be allowed to bot until the server is at such a point where we don't need to bot. Right now, if we don't bot we can't get max cap ever.. but after he fixes the quests, updates the droprates/events we don't need to bot